M&R Episode 279: American, Chris Carter joins Mexican Lucha Libre.

In Episode 279, I spoke with Chris Carter, Mr. Change Man. Chris is a professional Luchador (wrestler) living in Guadalajara, Mexico. He is originally from Texas and grew up loving the WWE. Now he lives full-time in Mexico and wrestles all over the country. Enjoy!

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What up all you beautiful Misfits and Rejects out there? Thank you for joining me for episode

279 of Misfits and Rejects. In today's episode, I spoke with Chris Carter, aka Mr. Change Man.

Chris is from Texas originally, but has been wrestling within the Lucha Libre of Mexico for

the last four years. He is a big draw here in Mexico, and when I came across him at a

Lucha Libre here in my small town, I was floored. I won, had never been to a wrestling match

in Mexico. Two, did not expect to see a gringo wrestling with all the other luchadores,

and after the match, I went up to him and just said, I have to have you on my podcast.

What he is doing and all the other individuals I interview are what keep me so excited to keep

doing this podcast. To encounter somebody who is following their dream and doing it with so much

focus and so much commitment and willing to go to a completely different country to find success,

it really just embodies the spirit of Misfits and Rejects.

So I have no doubt you'll get a lot from this episode. Chris is an incredible guy

just to see the smile on his face when he was wrestling. And during our Zoom call,

you could just feel the excitement, the energy just oozing out of him because he has found his

place in the world. He knows what he wants, and he's willing to stop at nothing to get it.

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please sit back, relax, and enjoy this episode with Chris Carter, Mr. Change Man.

Welcome to Misfits and Rejects, a podcast about the lifestyle design of expatriates,

travelers, entrepreneurs, and adventurers. I'm your host, Chapin Cruder. Enjoy.

Welcome to another episode of Misfits and Rejects. Today, I'm joined by Chris Carter,

pro wrestler, Mr. Change Man. Chris, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me, brother. I appreciate it.

It's a pleasure. I've been really looking forward to this, as I told you pre-show.

I live in a small town here in Mexico, and I got invited to this Lucha Libre. And actually,

when I was walking up, I saw you on the side of the street, and I was like,

that looks like a gringo. And then I heard you speak, and I was like, holy fuck,

that is a gringo. And I live in a town with very few, if any, gringos. And to have somebody

performing in this almost like a backyard, it was wild to me. And that's when I instantly knew I

had to get you on the show, man. Yeah, man. I never thought I'd be wrestling in a small,

town in Mexico. It's crazy how things have gone.

Yeah, let's get into it a little bit before we talk about where you're at right now with

your wrestling career. Can you take the audience through your upbringing,

and where you come from, and maybe what your life was like growing up?

Sure. So I was born and raised in Houston, Texas. I was actually adopted when I was about like

six months old. And probably from six months to 12 years old, I lived in Houston and moved

like two years to Oklahoma. And then we moved back down to Texas, and then stayed in Texas for

you know, the rest of my teenage years. And then throughout that whole time, I was just a big fan

of wrestling, especially the WWE. I don't know what it was about it that just like I gravitated

towards it. But yeah, it was just always there in my life. I mean, my grandparents watched it,

my uncles and my cousins watched it. My core family though, they weren't really fans.

My brothers actually, like they were fans of the video game, I guess, but they were just like

the type of kids that were like, oh, you know, this shit's fake. And it's gay and all this stuff.

I'm like, oh, well, fuck you guys. I like it. It's cool. I don't think it's gay. It's pretty

fire. Like, and just, you know, I was just a big fan of it. And then when I got older,

I learned more about it. I made friends who had the mutual like respect of wrestling and liking

of wrestling. Then we did like backyard wrestling, put videos on YouTube and stuff and then took it

more seriously, got training. And yeah, the rest is history. Debuted and I want to say 2018, 2019,

maybe 2017. It's a little rough. I've been hitting the head a couple of times too hard

to remember the exact date. But I like to say I'm at like my eight year mark wrestling and

it's been a wonderful journey. I never would imagine it to go the way it has, but I'm very

grateful that it has gone the way it has. And it's been a lot of fun. That's the biggest thing. It's

just, it's been a lot of fun. Of course, like, you know, you have your ups and downs with just about

anything in life, but I feel like wrestling has treated me pretty well and it's been a great ride.

It's so cool, man. So cool. So can ask how old you are?

Yeah, I'm 26. I was born on July 15th, 1999.

And you're already having an eight year career under your belt.

Yeah. I started professionally when I was 18, 19, I want to say something like that. I'm not good

at math. I dropped out of high school. I'll say that right away.

So yeah, what kind of other jobs did you have? What kind of other jobs did you have prior to this?

So growing up, my first job, because like I said, I dropped out of high school, my family was like,

okay, if you're not going to go to school, then you have to work. I said, okay. So my first job

ever was a dishwasher at a Mexican restaurant. And then I got fired from that job because,

uh, you know, you know who the NWA is, right? The rap group. Yep. So, um, there were some

police officers that came into the restaurant and they were eating and I was a kid, you know,

dumb as fuck. And, um, I had this little like, uh, computer from school like this,

like Apple computer. And I would play music while washing dishes and stuff.

And I don't know what came over me. I just was, I saw them. I was like, oh, I know what I'm going

to do. So I played fuck the police while they were eating and just loud enough, you could hear it

out in like the eating area. And like, I'm like mopping the floor or whatever. And I go back to

the back, start washing dishes. I was singing with like, you know, uh, my, my, uh, how do you

say it? Work, co-workers, friend, co-workers. Yes. Um, my coworkers, I'm like fucking full.

I was singing the song and I turned around and there's a cop standing in the back in the fucking

area where they're cooking stuff. He's just staring at me and he like gets all upset and he's like,

oh, you don't want to know, uh, what we go through and everything like that. And I'm like,

Hey bro, it's just a song, dude. And like, I guess he took it to the news and it got on the news.

And yeah, the, the business was not happy about that. And they fired me. Uh, I was getting like

death threats from like people in the neighborhood and stuff like that. I could leave my house for

like a week or two. Um, it was crazy. It was so stupid, but, um, hilarious. I don't regret it.

It was fun. Uh, but, um, but yeah, that was my first job. And then I worked other, you know,

fast food jobs like, um, like Sonic Popeyes, Dairy Queen, you know, that kind of stuff. And then like,

just started wrestling, took it more seriously, you know, and then, um,

um, wrestling, uh, wrestling, I would say, uh, I would of course have other jobs. Shoot jobs

is what wrestlers call it. Shoot jobs is a real job while wrestling. Um, I actually was like a

receptionist for a hair salon in Houston. That was pretty fun. But, uh, yeah, that's about my work

experience. If anybody's hiring, you know, I need a job actually, a remote job. Can't work here in

Mexico, but, um, that's so cool. So tell us the process of what it takes to become a wrestler

and how you debut and then how you maintain. Okay. So normally, uh, what you would do is you would

find a wrestling school around where you would live or however far you would go that wrestling

school, you would pay a fee to train, um, and be a part of the school. And then, you know, say like

six months or whenever they think you're ready to debut, then you would actually start your career.

But the way I got in is very different, not normal. And I kind of just snuck my way into

the business, but, um, yeah, it's not a big deal. Um, it used to be, but like the way I started,

like I said, I used to do backyard wrestling with my friends. We wrestle like trampoline

and professional wrestlers do not lie. Like they down backyard wrestling. They're like, oh,

it's not safe. Y'all, y'all should take it more serious and all that kind of stuff. So, um,

um, I started that way and then I met an actual professional wrestler, uh, my trainer,

his name is Lowrider. Um, and I met him and he started training me. And then he would get

me booked on these Lucha Libre shows in Houston. And then, uh, there was this backyard company that

became a professional company. Um, that I, I started with them wrestling in like outlaw mud

shows. Um, basically outlaw mud show is like a non-professional professional show, I guess,

if that makes sense. And, um, they started off like doing those kinds of shows at bars and stuff

like that. And, uh, then they actually bought like this warehouse and, uh, invited professional

trainers to train us and everything like that. And that's how they, uh, started to become more

professional. And they would bring other companies in to host shows at that warehouse and stuff. And

that's how they, uh, became professional and stuff. Uh, so yeah, I kind of just snapped my way into

the business and, um, glad I did because like, if not, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Is, is this business something that you have to be talented at or can anybody just go to one of

these schools and then make it as a professional wrestler? Um, I mean, anybody can do it. Anybody

can do it. But to make it, you do have to be somewhat talented. Um, there's things called

like the it factor. You gotta have it, which isn't really much. It's just charisma, talent, and the,

the want to succeed. Uh, that's why I feel like having it is, um, and the ability to, uh,

connect with the audience. That's one of the biggest things in wrestling is you want to make

that connection with the audience. Uh, the moves are easy, but the connection with the audience is

the biggest thing like you want to accomplish in, uh, your matches. Um, but no, I think anybody

can really do it just as long as they apply themselves and take it seriously and just don't

give up. Um, I've seen a lot of people try and just, you know, give up after a couple of months.

And of course they don't make it, you know, uh, but as long as you're consistent with it and

you're disciplined and you continue on trying to get better, you're, you're bound to do something

in the business. If it's just wrestling in a 40 mile radius or wrestling on TV, you know, it's,

anything is possible in this wrestling world. Like it sounds so cliche, but it's real. Anything

is possible. Um, I never imagined I would wrestle for AAA on TV in Mexico. I never imagined I would

live in Mexico doing this. So anything is possible. Um, you just gotta keep your mind, uh, like

be, be honest with yourself and just stay on track and just keep going. I stop. I think that's

anything's possible. Who was, uh, your idol growing up, which wrestler did you just worship? Um,

I had a couple. Um, first it was, uh, the undertaker, which was crazy because I actually

met him here in Mexico at one of the shows, which that was a dream come true. And like I said,

I never thought that would happen, you know, and anything can happen, you know? So, uh,

the undertaker is number one for me and a close second, if not tied with number one is John Cena.

Um, just me being a kid, you know, he was fucking Superman, you know? Um, but yeah,

those two guys, uh, undertaker and John Cena. In hindsight, now that you understand the business

and the connection with the crowd, what was it about their personas that lured you in?

Um, well, the first time I saw the undertaker, he was just making his entrance. And when I saw

that I just, I was very young, so I didn't really understand what I was seeing, but I saw that I was

just glued to the screen. I just couldn't look away. I was like, what is this? This is obviously

not a TV show because he's a real person. I see there's like a crowd. This is real. Like this is

really happening. And I was like, this guy is really dead, you know? Um, and, you know, John

Cena, you know, his whole hustle, loyalty, respect, never give up attitude. Like, um, he's like Superman

and, you know, his, his, he has strong, uh, morals and, um, just a very good character of like a very

good person. Um, and that's what really gravitated with him is like, oh, he's a really good person.

I want to be like John Cena. And it wasn't like necessarily the muscles or these like exception,

like huge looking men. Of course that, of course that I was like, damn, these guys are huge. I want

to be like, I'm a scrawny kid. Um, gets bullied a lot, man. If I had their bodies, I don't think

anybody would bully me, you know? So of course that as well. Um, yeah, for sure that too. Um,

but more so just like how they represented themselves as people and like how their characters

were like very, of course, Undertaker and John Cena's characters are very different. Um, I guess

like the character with the Undertaker, I, I really like dark imagery. It's cool to me, you know, um,

I'm a Christian, but like satanic imagery, it just looks super bad ass to me. And I'm just like,

oh, when I see that kind of stuff, I'm like, oh, that guy's a bad ass. You don't want to fuck with

him, you know, like, and then with John Cena, of course, he's just an outstanding person. He's a

great guy. And I'm like, that's who I, that's who I want to be like, like I don't want anybody to

hate, you know, in the early years when you're doing and you kind of started your professional

debuts and you're starting to make a little bit of money outside of Houston and the Houston area,

were you making enough to like go from event to event and, and sustain it?

Um, no, not really. Um, I mean, normally, uh, when you like the, the very first match that I had, I

think I only made like 15 bucks. And then the next week, the next week, they gave me a $15 race. So

I made 30 bucks on that next fight. Um, but a normal rate for a wrestler just starting out,

maybe $40. Um, and that's like, depending on where you're coming from, that's just gas money,

you know? Um, so you, you really have to put in the time and the effort to really make that real

money, which even when you do that, it's still, I don't think it's enough. Um,

I wish like, I, I like to think I wish there was like a, a set price that is like,

like guaranteed, but it's just not how it works. But, um, no, I mean,

I mean, now, like I'm actually make, uh, I'm, I'm doing better here in Mexico, which is

surprising. Um, now I was in the States, uh, because the currency differences crazy, but

like, I'm, I'm making less here, but I'm, I'm getting more work here, you know? Like for example,

in November, I have like 10 dates, uh, in November. Um, and like I did the math on it,

maybe like 800 bucks for the whole month, just off wrestling. So that's pretty solid. Um, wish,

of course, wish I could make more, but you know, I'm not at that level, you know, which I mean,

I'm, I'm not here for the money or anything like that's more so just the experience and

just, uh, ability to say like, oh, I took that risk and I went to Mexico and I, I, you know,

paid my dues and stuff like that. Like that's the biggest thing in wrestling is paying your dues.

Um, you know, of course, when you first start out, you have to help set up the ring and you,

you know, like set up chairs or whatever, pay your dues, you know, um, paper at school, that's paying

your dues as well. Um, and in the business, you never stop doing that. So I, to this day,

I still sometimes would help set up a ring or, you know, set up chairs or whatever, but, um,

yeah, it's just, uh, the hustle. It's the grind wrestling. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Do you have to negotiate every event or they just say, Hey, we'll pay you this. If you show up.

Um, well, normally we'll just ask, Hey, what's, what's the guarantee? Uh, what's, what's the pay?

And, you know, you can say yes or no, or sometimes they'll ask you, what is your fee?

And then you can tell them what you want. And if they don't like that, they'll probably be like,

Oh, Hey, can you take this instead? Um, or say, you know, they, they give you, they give you your

fee and you work for them a little bit. Then they're like, Hey, can you think you could come

down? We're going to be using you more, but you think you'd come down on price just so it's easier

to use you and stuff. I was like, you know, it's, it's, I'm very easy to work with, man. I'm not like

a super expensive talent. Like I know I'm just, I'm still trying to make money known and grow

myself. And, um, like money's not the biggest thing to me. Um, I know money comes and goes.

Um, so it's just like, I do it for the love of the game and, uh, I just do it to have fun.

It's so cool. I was sitting next to these two, two young Mexican kids.

They're like, not kids. They're probably in their twenties. And I was like, Hey, is that guy a

gringo? And they're like, yeah. Yeah. I was like, what's his name? They're like Chris Carter. And

I said, is he famous? They're like, oh yeah. He's super famous, dude. Everyone else. And I was

like, really? So with, within the scope of fame here in Mexico, I mean, if I were to go to like

Cancun, are they going to know you in Cancun? That's hard to say. I haven't wrestled there yet.

Okay. So I'm not sure. Um, but I mean, if you were to ask anybody from like Mexico city,

Monterey, um, of course you're Guadalajara. I'm sure they would know. Um,

like, uh, I, I don't like to think I'm famous. Um, I only have like fucking 7,000 followers on

Instagram, you know, like I'm nothing special, you know? I mean, I am, I am, I'm special.

My mom told me, but, um, no, I mean, I've definitely like experienced like

fame to a certain degree, you know, going to like the, the grocery store and somebody like

recognizes me or like ask for a picture on the street or something like that. Like I've experienced

that level of like fame, popularity and stuff. So I guess so. I appreciate those two messaging.

They love you. I mean, I think they're your biggest fans in the audience that night. Um,

this is actually why I brought you on. This is what I think is the most beautiful aspect

of what you're doing is venturing out of the U S which has a huge culture of wrestling,

WWE, as you mentioned, and I would guess that trying to make it in the WWE is extremely hard.

Would you agree? Oh, for sure, man. Um, yeah, it's, it's probably the hardest, uh,

company to get into just because there's so many, um, there's so much talent in the world

and, you know, there's so many people trying to get that opportunity. Um, now I will say it's,

it's become a lot easier with, uh, WWE opening their doors up for talent from AAA. Um, it's a

lot easier for them, uh, for people to get in by, with, with the performance center, um, in Florida.

Um, it's, it's become a lot easily more accessible. Um, but it's like, like I said,

there's so much talent in the world and, um, there's already so many established stars,

um, that are in WWE that they're looking at and stuff like that. So, um, for somebody just

starting out, it may seem like a long shot, but again, like I said, it's very possible. Like I,

um, I wrestled for a company down here in Mexico called AAA Lucha Libre and they just got purchased

by WWE not, uh, like a couple months ago. I wrestled on one of the last, uh, days that like

going in, they're in this transitional period right now where the old owners and the new owners

from WWE are coming in. So I wrestled on that last show. That's where I met the undertaker

some other time, uh, producers and stuff like that. Uh, yeah, man, like, uh, it's, uh,

the doors are open, you know, and like, there's different ways to get in. Um, it's all about who

you know, you know, um, and how good you are, I guess. Yeah, no, it's, it's beautiful. And the

segue I was trying to make was that, you know, you're willing to go to a whole nother country

and get the reps in. And I've interviewed a lot of people around the world. And for example,

standup comedians have come on my show and, you know, trying to make it in America as a standup

comedian, it's not easy, but they can go to a place like Bangkok, Thailand, and they start

getting a little following there and they start getting booked in Vietnam. They start getting

booked in like Hong Kong. And all of a sudden now kind of like you, they have a career that's

sustainable, you know, they're not necessarily where they want to be yet. Cause they started

off wanting to be in, you know, the New York comedy scene, but at some point you get famous

enough people will start to take notice and you're getting the reps in, which is what you're doing

now. And you're just developing your craft and really honing it. And like, to me, that's so

inspirational that you're willing to take that leap of faith, do what you love and just pay your

dues. And are you enjoying Mexico? Oh, yeah, man. I love it. I've always loved like

the opportunity to explore the world. And I love that wrestling gives me that opportunity.

The culture is probably the biggest thing that draws me here. And the people too. The people

really nice. I mean, half the time I don't really understand them, but, you know, I've gotten a

little better on my Spanish. So it's been easier to get by, but it's just amazing. It's a beautiful

place. Before, you know, of course living in the States, you know, the media makes it seem like

Mexico is just as terrible place. But in reality, bro, this is better than the fucking States.

This is better than Texas. Like, man, like, cause like, for example, like anywhere you go,

there's gotta be crime. Anywhere you go, there's gotta be poverty or there's gotta be,

you know, problems and stuff. But man here, I mean, it's chill. It's chill. I mean, I haven't had a

serious problems, you know? How long have you been here?

So I've been going back and forth for about four years, but I've been here solidly,

maybe a year and a half. What first brought you here? Like, how'd you get the first invite?

Or what'd you do to get here? Wrestling, wrestling, my trainer, he's from Houston,

but he lived in Tulencingo, which is just like north of Mexico City. And he's, of course,

he's Mexican. And he has a lot of connections here in Mexico. And he was like, hey, come to

Mexico with me and do a show out there. I was like, okay, bet. And yeah, it was, it was fun.

And I loved it. I was like, wow, this is, this is cool. Yeah, man, it was a start from there,

man. I think my first wrestling show in Mexico was either Matamoros or Nuevo Laredo. I can't

remember exactly, but it had to be one of those towns. I think maybe Matamoros was my first.

That's so cool. So cool. And then, so now you've established yourself for the last year and a half

permanently or not permanently, let's just say, you know, long-term in Mexico, what made you decide

to like give it a more of a full-time crack? My relationship, my girlfriend slash wife,

she, she's also a wrestler and she wrestled on a show as well that you saw. She was the

wetter. Yeah, she came out. She was the first one. I remember. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not the dude with

the wig. No, I know. No, the first. Yeah, she's a wrestler as well here. And, you know, me and her

met through Instagram, just talking, honestly, funny story. I don't want to make it too long,

but I thought she was somebody else that I was training with in Mexico city. And it turns out

it wasn't who I thought it was. I was like, Oh snap. Oh, I'm sorry. But I mean, we already

kind of talked a little bit. So can we just continue talking? And she said, yeah, sure.

And yeah, we just built more of a rapport together and, you know, had a lot of fun

talking to each other. And then, of course I was back and forth, Mexico and the States. And,

you know, I just told her, Hey, let me come visit you for Christmas. And she was like,

okay, cool. And yeah, I came and seen her. And we met for the first time, December 23rd,

2023, maybe the 26th. I don't know exactly which day, but one of those days, it's on a bracelet

that we have here somewhere. But yeah, and then ever since then just been involved. She's like

my everything. She's helped me out my career a lot too. Just look wise, you know, she got me

contacts with people who make merchandise, people who make the gear that the wrestlers wear, you

know, like the tights and the kick pads and all that stuff. So she's, she's been a great help and

very grateful to have met her. Hopefully this doesn't end because like, she's here for me,

dog. Like, we're not married, but I wear these rings just to like, be like, yeah, you're mine.

Like, this is it. Does she speak English? No. When we first started talking, I asked her,

so do you know any English? She's like, Oh yeah, I know about like 70%. I said, okay, cool, cool.

That was a fucking lie. And I bully her about that all the time. I'm like, you lied to me.

She knows some, she knows a little bit. Like she can, like, it's cute when she tries to speak

English and super cute. But she knows some words and stuff like that, but she doesn't like try to

speak it often. She's just more, just Virgo Espanol. And so you communicate with her in Spanish

and with your limited Spanish. I want to say I have good Spanish. People tell me I have good

Spanish, but it's not like on a like master level. I can always get better. I can always get better.

But if there is something that like, we don't understand, we just use Google translate or ask

Alexa to translate, like, I have no problem in doing that. You know, of course, whenever we were

first like texting each other, of course, I have to translate fucking everything. Because they did at

the top, just like now on like Instagram or I think messenger, they have the option to translate

now. But like, two years ago, they didn't have that option. So I'd have to just copy and paste.

And that actually, using Google translate helped me learn Spanish because like, I would see the

words in English, and I'd see the same words, but in Spanish right under it. So I would just connect

the dots and be like, okay, this is what that means is what. And then like, just whenever I would see

people speak in Spanish and say they would, they say, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna mop the floor,

and they go and mop the floor. Of course, they say it in Spanish. I'll see them do that playing

action to word, if that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. How long has she been in the game

for wrestling? Well, around this, I want to say about like six, seven years. Around the same time

as me. And you both obviously share the same passion. Is that what most of your conversations

are about? Like, developing your characters and how to continue to make it in the game?

Yeah, somewhat. I mean, mostly now it's about this like, fucking mobile game on the phone she's

obsessed with. Most of our conversations are about that. And of course, wrestling too, you know,

she asked me, hey, you know, what do you think of this move? What do you think? Maybe do this,

do that. Just, you know, planning stuff out. Yeah, I mean, wrestling is a big part of our relationship.

I don't want to say it's like the main part. But it's a big part of the relationship. Yeah,

take us through how that kind of works behind the scenes. I mean, if you're showing up to a

wrestling match, assume you don't, you've never worked with most of this talent before. Like,

how do you guys plan out like, what you're going to do prior to the match?

Um, so I like to think that like, wrestling is like a universal language. So it's, of course,

for starting out, wrestling in Mexico is a little confusing, just because the names of moves were

different. But if say, like, we were to act it out, it's easy, it's easy to understand the direction

where they want to go, what they want to do. And then, you know, of course, learning the verb,

bitch, and stuff like that, and Spanish of the moves and stuff. It's, it's been easy. But yeah,

wrestling is the universal language. And I think like anybody, if say, if I were to wrestle in

Japan for the first time, and you know, not know what to do, or whatever, I think it'd be pretty

easy to put together something, you know. So for example, when I watch you jump off the top rope

and do like a full backflip twist on the like, five luchadores in the audience, like, how do you,

how do they know it's about to happen? Do you like whisper to one and they whisper to each other,

and then they'll gather the ring and... No, I mean, of course, like, before the match starts,

before the show starts, like the wrestlers and the locker room, and they discuss like,

what's going to happen, how the match is going to go and stuff like that, because everybody already

knows, like, what we do is predetermined, you know, we're not trying to keep this group that like,

oh, this is how this, they've already done like a documentary revealing like, oh, this is how it

works, you know. So like, yeah, man, it's just, we plan everything ahead of time. And then like,

you know, what we, what we call in the back is what you see in the match. So for example, like

the match you saw, the guy was making his entrance, I just fucking flew on him right away,

you know, that's something I call it, I was like, hey, right away, your entrance, I dive, boom.

And then other guys, y'all do something, do another dive, boom, then come back in, start doing like,

one-on-ones to get one out, other in, one out, other in, boom, boom, boom, break it down, boom,

boom, boom, more dives, bam, and then the finish, you know.

And the finish is always predetermined, like, you know, who's going to win the match?

Yes. Well, okay. Yes, but no. And I say that because, for example, I wrestled the show,

and this was the show that I got hurt at. I wrestled the show, and they told us, like,

how the match was going to go and everything like that. But then before we went out there,

the owner of the company was like, hey, the referee is going to tell you who's going to win.

So before we go out there, we have to make two different finishes just in case,

you know, I win or the other guy wins. Got it.

Um, so in that moment, in that circumstance, no, but most of the time, yes, you know,

who's going to be the winner, you know, you know, what's going to happen.

Say if there's like a story thing that's supposed to be planned afterwards, if somebody comes down

and interrupts something or somebody's talking on the microphone, like they, they know, we know

everything. That's good. Unless somebody like goes into business for themselves and like,

you know, hijacks the show and ruins it. So is that, is that something that happens?

I mean, it can, um, you know, some, there are some kinds of wrestlers that are selfish and

don't want to lose or that kind of thing, like, which is unprofessional, of course. And that's

probably why they're not like, you know, anywhere in the business. I've never really met anybody

like that, but I know I've heard some stories of people who are like that. Um, but yeah,

I mean, it's possible. Like I said, anything's possible. Yeah. Yeah. So that movie, the wrestler

with, um, Mickey Rourke, was that pretty accurate in the way that people conduct themselves? Like

they're really nice people behind the scenes and they go out and perform and they're just the

sweetest heart, sweetheart people. Yep. Yeah, bro. Yeah, man. Um, some of the best people I've met

in life have been through wrestling. Um, I'll give you an example of a really good person.

I'm gonna put him over right now. Uh, but, but putting someone over is a term we use in wrestling

where like you talk good about somebody that's putting them over. Um, I have a friend in the

business. His name is Big J Bishop. He's like 400 pounds. He's a big dude. Um, great wrestler,

fantastic athlete. He's a great guy too. Um, actually he, uh, helped me give my life to Christ

and, uh, I owe him everything for that. But, um, me and my wife, we had a baby and, um, unfortunately,

two weeks after our son was born, he passed away. And, um, here in Mexico, like the, the process

for like the funerals and stuff's really fast. It's like a day or two afterwards and they do

the funeral and everything like that. And, um, I remember like just, you know, announcing to the

world what happened and everything like that. And out of nowhere, this guy, my friend, Big J Bishop,

he sends me the total cost of the funeral, um, which was a pretty penny, you know? And he was

just like, you know, God loves you. And, you know, we were blessed this, um, tax season. I could give

this to you now. Um, and then plus my family did like a GoFundMe and stuff like that, but

for him to do that, that's a real genuine friend that you want to keep and like for the rest of

your life, you know? Um, and there's not many people like that in the business, you know? Of

course you have your friends and stuff, but like somebody like that, that's willing to just do

anything for you. Uh, yeah, it's just, I want to keep him alive forever, man. I know he'll never

let me down, you know? He sounds like such a beautiful man. And I'm very, very sorry that

happened to you both. No, you're good, man. You're good. Uh, shit happens. You just gotta live and,

uh, you know, just be strong and keep going, you know, just not give up. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

you, you, you've mentioned that you're kind of in nursing an injury right now. Can you tell us what

happened and what got hurt? Sure. Uh, so, well, what they said here, um, and I mean, I would say

it in Spanish. Uh, I'll say it in Spanish first and then I'll say it in English. So

I have a neck sprain, a contracture, and like a pinched nerve in my neck. Um, basically we,

like I said, that match where he was like, oh, the referees, do I tell y'all

what the, like, who's going to win? We came up with the same finish, but reverse it like,

oh, if I were going to win, I'm going to give you this move, then this move.

But if you win, you're going to give me that move. And then that same move, because we do the same

stuff. Um, so, uh, they chose him to win. And so, um, and it was my fault. I would have been fine

if I would have just listened to my opponent. He said, let's go straight to the last move

and do the last move. I would have been fine not injured, but me thinking, oh, let's just, just do

this one thing, do this one thing before this. It's here to be better. It's here to be better.

So I took over, went up to the second row. He, he cuts me off. He climbs up there with me. We're

both facing away from the ring. So we're on the turnbuckle, which is the corner of the ring.

And we're both facing, uh, the outside of the ring. And basically what he needs to do is jump up to

my shoulders, like a chicken, if we're playing chicken, um, and then go backwards. And like,

what he does is like a kind of like a backflip thing while I still have his legs and I go

into like a, a moonsault, like a backflip and land on my stomach.

But, uh, the way it went down is I landed on my head and like spiked my head and immediately,

like my body like tensed up and like, I felt like I was fucked up. I knew I was fucked up.

And then after he had to do that second move to end the match, he didn't know I was hurt. You know,

I couldn't tell him. I couldn't speak at the time. Um, and so I just had, I was laying there.

I saw him go up. I had to straighten my body out to receive that second move to end the match.

Cause once that matches ended, I could get taken care of. So we finished in a match and I'm hurt.

And like, I never, I've experienced an injury before similar to that, but not where I was

conscious. Um, in said injury, uh, this one, I was completely conscious. I just couldn't move.

Um, or if I did move, it fucking hurt. And, uh, yeah, man, it was a crazy

feeling. Plus like whenever I was laying there after receiving it, it's weird. Like I have these,

um, I like to think I have like visions when like bad things happen. Like I think to myself,

I've been here before. I've been in this exact position. I've seen this all before. It's weird.

Like in my dreams or something like that, like I experienced that very, that exact moment before

somewhere in my dreams or something like that. And, uh, yeah, it just happened. I was like,

oh fuck, that sucks. And, uh, yeah. So luckily, you know, my girl was there and everything. She

was confused about the situation. She didn't know if it was part of the act or if it was real. And

then whenever they told her this real, she, you know, went to the locker room with me and everything

helped me, you know, took care of me and stuff, took me to the hospital, got an X-ray, got shot.

Uh, not shot like it was alcohol, but like a shot in my ass.

And, uh, yeah, they just, you know, I had like, uh,

a neck brace and everything like that. And just been, that happened, uh, the 12th of October today

is 20 something like that. I don't know exactly what day right now.

Well, your mobility looks like pretty good.

What's up? Oh yeah. I feel a lot better now. Um, like I told her too, cause, um, it happened up

on the 12th and then the 18th, we had a show that we were supposed to team together, like be a team,

me and her. And I told her like, look, give me until Wednesday, because I know my body, I know how I

regenerate. I'm like Wolverine when it comes to injuries, I regenerate really fast.

I was like, give me until Wednesday. If I don't feel better by Wednesday, I'm, uh, I'll cancel.

Um, and of course Wednesday comes and I didn't regenerate like Wolverine. I regenerated like

Logan, you know? Uh, so, um, yeah, I was like, yeah, it's better. I just canceled. Um, so yeah,

but now, you know, uh, of course the first couple of days were rough, but, um, now I feel a lot

better. Like it's not pins and needles in my fingers anymore. Uh, it, there's like a slight

pain, but I'm getting it back. Plus like my neck feels a lot better now. So, um, the doctor said

about three weeks. Um, so right now we're in the second week and then I think next week I should be

like cleared and good to go. Man, it sounds like you got lucky, dude. It sounds scary.

Oh, that's all I have in this business is luck, man. I've, I've gone, I've done extremely stupid

shit and wrestling anybody can tell you that I've done very crazy stuff. Like that's what I think

people know me for is being that like Daredevil high risk, like athlete, like Jeff Hardy, you

know, do you know who Jeff Hardy is? I use a pro wrestler at one point or still is.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he, yeah, he's, he's one of the Hardy boys. He, uh, from back in the day.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, and he was like a trash chest dummy kind of wrestler. And that's kind of like

who they compare me to a lot. Um, and, uh, and other like spike Dudley, um, you know,

there's a guy in a W right now named Darby Allen who has like the same style. Like we just don't

care about our bodies. And it's just more for the fans to see, like, I don't know. I don't know what

it is. Like we know how to make death look really good. If that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, yeah,

some of the stuff you're doing off the top rope, I mean, I can't imagine that feels good when you

land. I mean, it's gotta, even if they're catching you, like they're not always catching you

perfectly. Yeah, no, no, you're right, bro. Um, and like, and like I said before, sometimes,

you know, that high risk doesn't always pay off how you want it to. And, uh, yeah, like this isn't

the only injury that I've had, you know, I've knocked myself out on like a double front flip

off the top rope by missing my opponent by just like that much, you know? Um, and so it's just

like those kinds of risks, you know, don't necessarily need to do it. And I don't anymore.

I don't really do that double front flip anymore just because of that. I'm just scared to fuck it

up. Um, and yeah, I don't like it with, with, with this injury. Um, I don't think I'll be taking that

one again anytime soon. Yeah. I can't imagine that tingling sensation, man. Scary. Um, one thing I

noticed at your match that I'd never experienced before is the crowd engagement. It seemed

extremely unique. And can you, can you speak on this? Like the crowd engagement in Mexico versus

the States and what are the differences? Because they're so active in such a, I want to say,

I didn't understand all the Spanish they were yelling at you guys, but sometimes it sounds

like they're not being cool at all. And they're like, they're calling you names and they're,

you know, calling certain characters, oh, you're weak, you're a pussy, like whatever. And then

there's always that, there's that one drunk guy who's like getting too excited. And like,

can you kind of talk, talk us through the crowd engagement in both locations?

Man, it's just the passion is different here for wrestling. Um, it's really, I think just a passion.

Um, of course there's, there's good and bad crowds everywhere in the world of wrestling. Um,

that being in the States or down here in Mexico, you know, you have like crowds here that won't

make a sound and that's the worst thing ever, you know. Um, but then you have crowds there,

like fully engaged and behind what you're doing. And those, those are the best crowds to wrestle

in front of the one that you saw that it was a really, it was a really great crowd. Um, and plus

they're familiar with me already. Um, they're my fan base and stuff like that. So I'm sure you

heard card or card that they cheer for me and stuff like that. There were a couple of girls

in the crowd asking for visas and stuff. I heard that video. Um, but yeah, of course it's just a

passion, man. Um, man, these Mexicans love their lucha libre. Um, it's, it's, it's crazy how

impactful us wrestlers are to people. Um, and yeah, just to have that crowd engagement means

everything. It's what you want because if, if you don't have any reaction, that's,

you're not doing your job right. As a wrestler, you want to garner a reaction or, you know,

get something from the crowd to, you know, know you're doing your part, you're playing your part

correctly. Um, yeah, that's all you can really ask for as a wrestler is that crowd engagement

and that crowd interaction. Um, an easy, an easy, uh, cheap code, I guess, to do, um, in wrestling.

I try to do it before every match is the, the clapping, you know, just clapping, just to get

them to clap with you, to just get the energy up in the building and stuff like that, you know,

it's real easy to, you know, get them like, it's a little harder to get them to chant your name

if they don't know your name, you know, so a simple clap is the easiest thing to do, especially as if

you're a good guy, you know, you're not, you don't want to do the clapping if you're a bad guy, you

know, but, um, yeah, that's, that's a big thing too is like, there's certain roles to be played

and you have to know how to play your role. Yeah. Let's talk about your role and how you created the

character, uh, Mr. Change Man and what that's all about, what it stems from and, and what you're

all about. So I've had a couple of, uh, character changes throughout the years. Um, of course,

in my backyard wrestling, um, there was this nickname given to me in high school, uh, because

I used to dance, so everybody called me Twitch and I used that name in my backyard wrestling.

Um, and then I would, and since it was just a couple of my friends in the backyard wrestling,

we didn't have many guys or a roster, so we had to come up with other characters. So we would use

like Brahma stereo mask and like, I would be Alex Chavagante, which was a Mexican luchador or

whatever. Obviously I'm not, but, uh, or I would be like a Japanese video game character or some

shit like that, you know? Um, but when I first started wrestling, I used the name Alex Chavagante.

Um, and I was under a mask, which was not my mask. It was actually another wrestler's mask.

And, uh, and then, you know, I, I became Chris Carter. Um, and the Chris Carter name, of course,

Chris is my real name, uh, Christian, but shortened it to Chris. And then Carter is

just a made up name because I was like, Oh, what sounds good with Chris and what's not being used

right now? Uh, Chris Carter sounds pretty cool. Okay. Let me just, let me do that. Chris Carter's.

And then the change. So that became because, and one of my first stories, I guess, um, I was

wrestling my best friend and we were in a match where the loser had to leave the show. Um, and

so I lost and then like Twitch, that was my name at the time I left as Twitch. And then my buddy,

he was still wrestling, but then he kept getting mysteriously, someone mysteriously attacking him

week after week after week come to reveal it was me, Austin. It was me all along. And I had a

completely different look and I changed my name to Chris Carter. And that's why I am the change.

Chris Carter, cause I changed from this good guy, best friend to evil, dark, hate, spiteful,

you, you, you know, um, and then slowly I, uh, I started up a cult, which was called the change.

And I had like some stable mates with me and I was the leader of that court. So I was the leader of

the change. And then, you know, as I continued on with that character, um, I was a bad guy throughout

all of that, but the, the way I was wrestling, I was wrestling like a good guy and I would be

doing crazy, spectacular things that the crowd actually liked. So they started to get behind me

and so they had to turn me into a good guy. And so then the change wasn't the cult anymore.

The change was the fans. And that's how I kind of perceive it now is the fans are the change.

Of course, I'm the leader of the change. It's, it's, it's really like, it's hard to explain

because I don't even really understand it completely. Um, I like to just say it's all in

the eyes of the beholder. Whatever you think the change means is what it is. I've heard a lot of

different things and I'm like, oh yeah, you know, that makes sense. I get why you would think that

is this. And, um, I can't even, there's so many levels to this character. I'm still trying to

figure out. Um, but like, as a good guy, I'm, I'm like, for, for me, the change is like, I'm,

I'm the wrestler like you've always wanted, you know, I'm the wrestler you want to be your guy.

I want like, you want this guy to win what this is the change you want in wrestling, because we

always want change in wrestling. We want a guy we can, you know, get behind and they may say like,

fuck authority, you know, type of anti-hero kind of thing. Um, that's kind of how I view myself

character wise. Um, I take a lot from the undertaker, but I'm not like a, a dead man,

you know? Um, but I take a lot of just the dark imagery from his character and I've implemented

into that. Um, and then say, if I'm a bad guy, uh, I want to change this business because I'm

going to change it for the better of me, not you. Like there's so many, so there's so many different

ways you can take this character. Yeah. And I just want to, and I just want to let y'all decide

what it, what is the change? It's, it's better that way. I think just whatever you think,

however you connect to it. Well, you can feel the energy and, and to your point, like the

iconography that you've adopted is counterintuitive when you come out and they cheer and it's positive.

Like the vibe totally changed when you walked out. I mean, the energy level was like, you know, again,

you could feel the lightness and the excitement and it's like fun and there was, there wasn't

negative and, um, it was really interesting. And now to hear the backstory behind it and then how

you're able to manipulate the crowd's emotions through obviously your presence and what you do

and what you've learned. I mean, you're clearly talented and you're doing a good job at it. So,

I mean, I don't know what it's going to continue to mean for everybody, but I think as long as

you're doing you, it's going to continue to impress upon those who watch you. I appreciate

that bro. Thank you. Thank you a lot. That means a lot. Absolutely. I try and I try.

I can tell the passion is still alive in you. How, how much longer do you have in this business?

Do you think you're going to go into the wheels fall off? That's the goal, man. Um, I was just

talking to, uh, my girl about that. I was like, man, now I don't, I don't know. Like, of course,

everyone in this business wants, uh, a 50 year old, like want to go until they're 50 or 60 or

something. Of course, I mean, that's probably not realistic for me in my style. You know, as long,

I mean, I can, as long as I tone it down and, you know, pick my moments. Um, but realistically,

I mean, I don't have like a set number. I'm just going to, uh, I, I have said this when I can't

really move how I move now or how I used to move or whatever, when I can't really do that,

then I might consider, um, hanging up the boots. But I mean, we're not even there yet. Like I'm,

I'm still very young. Um, I still have a lot of time left, uh, in this world knock on wood,

if there is any near me. Um, yes. Uh, but yeah, man, I just, uh, I don't, I don't, I'm not,

I'm not planning on going anywhere anytime soon, except the top, you know? Um,

So yeah. What does the top mean to you?

Be a household name. Um, in Mexico or the States or both?

The world. Okay. I want to be a world renowned. I like the rock. I want to be like the level of

rock famous. It's possible. Anything is possible. May seem far fish, but anything is possible.

I mean, like, uh, if wrestling wasn't like it for me, you know, I would love to be an actor

or something like that. I, I used to do plays in school and stuff. I, I feel like I could be a

good actor. I know how to do like, I feel like I could act, you know? Um, but yeah, man, I just

want to, I, the, the reason why I chose the change and everything, because it, the change doesn't

even necessarily have to only apply to wrestling. It can apply to any aspect in life. Like I

literally have it tattooed on my arm because it's such a powerful word and it means a lot to me.

Like, um, just change is inevitable and change is really whatever you make it to be. And, um,

I really just want to change the world. Um, I want to see this world be a better place. Um,

there's a lot of hate in the world. I wish that would change. I just would love to see everyone

get along and, you know, not fear for our lives that maybe like some dip shit in, in office

somewhere is gonna drop some nukes on somebody, you know, and fucking in everything, you know?

So I just, uh, I just hope for the best, man. That's, that's really all it is. I help for the

best for everybody. Um, I want, I want everybody to reach this level of happiness that like,

I feel when I'm wrestling and stuff. Yeah. You seem like a very happy and content person. Would

you, you say that's consistent throughout your life or you have ups and downs as most people do,

or do you find yourself consistently feeling pretty good? Um, you know, ups and downs, um,

with everything in life, you know, of course, you know, there's shit that happens in life

that you don't expect and it can take you down a path. But, uh, as long as you just keep your

head up and you just try your best to be strong. I think my strength has probably been the biggest,

uh, has probably been the biggest attribute I have is my strength and my, uh, resilience to be able

to persevere through negative stuff. Um, I've had a lot of negative, uh, things happen in my life

that, you know, may cause some people go off the rails, but I've been fortunate enough to

keep my head above the water, you know, clear my mind when I needed it to be cleared and just,

just relax and just know it's not the end of the world. Beautifully said. Listen, this has been an

incredible conversation. I genuinely appreciate your time, but I have like five more questions

for you. And I like to go ahead. Cool. We could do this whole fucking night. I love this. I love

this. All right. Well, question number one, what in your life have you felt most like a misfit?

Backyard wrestling days, high school, I would say, um, probably the biggest time I felt like

a misfit. Um, I mean, my whole life, I just feel like I never really did fit in anywhere. Um,

maybe that has to do with just being adopted and then having my brothers always like bully me about

being adopted, which is fucking insane, you know? Um, but I kind of took that and I'm like,

oh, well guess what? Our parents chose me. They were stuck with your ass.

That's a good comeback. I like that. Yeah. I turned that negative into a positive real quick

early on, but no, just with being adopted, you know, of course, um, not really understanding why

or like not really understand the whole concept of being adopted and what that means and what

happened. Why did it happen and stuff like that? That caused some, um, it probably fucked some shit

up in my head. You know, there's stuff I probably gotta go therapy for because of that or whatever,

you know? Um, but just always, just always feel like, you know, I'm just didn't really fit in

anywhere specifically still kind of don't fit in, you know, especially here in Mexico,

fucking white dude, definitely doesn't fit in, you know, but like, I don't think that's really an

issue. You know, it's like you are who you are, you know, um, I don't think anybody

fits in anywhere. I mean, if you do fit in somewhere, it's probably just like

bullshit kiss ass type of fit in, you know? Totally. I don't know.

When in your life have you felt most rejected?

Um, maybe I'd say the same thing, but when I was backyard wrestling, probably,

um, pro wrestlers just didn't take us seriously and just were like, no, you're fucking kids.

You're very hard to, excuse my language, don't cancel me for that. Um, yeah, it's just like,

oh yeah, when I was backyard wrestling. If you were to describe freedom as a smell,

what would freedom smell like?

Damn air. Just the smell of air, I guess. I mean, I have a funny story. Uh, if you don't mind,

please, I went back, I went back to Texas just a couple of weeks ago, uh, probably like the first

week of October. Um, it was my mom's birthday on the 6th and I had a show in Brownsville, Texas

on the 5th and my mom, uh, she didn't know I was coming back and I surprised her for her birthday.

And, um, which was a really hard thing to do because my mom's a fucking detective and ruined

surprises, you know, so I luckily pulled them off. But, um, on, on the way from Brownsville

back to Houston, there's a checkpoint and, um, I'm riding with my friends after this wrestling show

I tell them all like, Hey, whenever we get to this checkpoint, don't say nothing. I got it.

Cause I know what this guy is going to ask. He's going to ask, are you a US citizen?

So knowing that's coming, we drive up to this checkpoint and this, this officer,

he's like, good morning y'all. Are y'all US citizens? And before anybody could say anything,

I pull out my passport and I go, hell yeah. And it's good to be back.

Of course that guy didn't really understand the gra- like the, the like grand scheme of that,

because he doesn't know. I just came all the way from when you saw me and whenever you saw me there,

I went from there to Guadalajara to Monterey to Matamoros to Brownsville and then

go to Houston. Long fucking trip, bro. And that's a whole other story in itself. If I,

if I were to tell you that story, we would be here literally forever. Just ask my friends.

If my friends see this, that we're in the car with me in Brownsville, they understand.

I think they're the only guys that would get it. But yeah, that was a, that was a funny,

funny little thing. I, I popped everybody in the, in the car. They laughed their ass off. The

officer was just fed up. It was two in the morning. He was just like,

okay, are you a US citizen? Are you, are you cool? All right. Have a good day. I'm probably a piece

of shit. It was fun. It was fun. Like the other officers like that were standing away and stuff.

I think I made them laugh and shit.

But it was fun. An entertainer, always a constant entertainer.

If you were to describe freedom as a site, what would freedom look like to you?

I guess, I mean, the, the most freeing thing I can think of is like the Statue of Liberty.

Um, I wouldn't say the ability to see, I guess that would be my answer. Um, just having that

freedom of being able to see, because, you know, unfortunately there are people that don't have

that freedom, you know? Um, my answers are going to be very straightforward like that, I guess.

No, that's fine. That's fine. They're your answers.

Chris, if you were to speak to one of our audience members and give them some words of inspiration,

to encourage them to take that step into something they're passionate about,

take that first trip into an unknown country that they've never been to,

what would you say to them to encourage them?

Don't be afraid to fall down. Um, everyone falls down. Uh, everyone makes mistakes.

But as long as you get up and learn from those mistakes, I think you'll not regret the decision

to, uh, take that risk. Also, take that risk. Make that sacrifice. Um, it's, it will pay off.

May not happen right away, but it'll happen at some point and you'll be very grateful for yourself

that you took that chance on betting on you. Um, just don't be afraid to fall and don't give up.

Beautifully said, Chris. Mr. Change, man. Thank you for your time.

Hey, thank you, bro. I appreciate you having me on here.

Awesome, Chris. Thank you so much for your time. It was such a pleasure getting to know you,

hearing your story truly are an inspiration to me and my audience. So thank you for coming on.

You're just another example of somebody who has a dream and isn't afraid to go after it.

And I just love that smile I got to see on your face while you were wrestling after your match

on our phone call. You just exude a very beautiful energy and I wish you all the best

as you continue to pursue your dream of becoming a legendary luchador.

And thank you everyone for listening. Again, please check out the description

and go over to our, my YouTube channel and check out Chris's wrestling matches and his

little sizzle reel that he put together for us. And if you want to support Miss Fitz and

rejects in any way, those links are right there for my Patreon, as well as my website,

which is where I sell some of my merchandise. And I just want to say thank you for listening.

Thank you all are so very beautiful and I'll see you next week's episode. Take care. Ciao.

Thank you for listening to Miss Fitz and rejects. I hope this inspire you to think about your life

situation, where you're at, possibly make a big decision to choose something different for yourself

if you're unhappy with where you're at in life. I hope these people that I interview inspire you to

go out, spread your wings and try something new, to live a different lifestyle that maybe your whole

life people were telling me was the wrong one, but when in fact it's the perfect one for you.

And I'll see you next time.